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Colleen Lindsay linked to this post recently. I read it. I found it...interesting, but uninformed.

I'll give you a second to read it. *sips coffee*

The writer seems to think agents are nothing but money-hungry fiends with no taste in Real Literature, while editors are princesses or princes the agents keep locked away in glass towers "for their own protection." She implies an editor would have bought her book that so many agents have rejected. I guess no one told her editors are trying to find the next bestseller, too.

Publishing is a business. Everyone's trying to make money.

I think one of the reasons it's so easy for writers to forget it's a business is because we are the ones bleeding over the same paragraph for a week, struggling with one plotline for a month, and spending a year drowning in the same story. The manuscript is not a product at that point, it's a part of you!

No, writers, it's still a product. It's still got to sell, make big money (or some money, but big would be nice), and at least do well enough so the editor who loved your first book can afford to buy another one from you.

It feels personal. It's not. It's not just about sales and marketing for agents, though. It's also about finding that manuscript in the slush that makes you sit up and slobber.

Here are some things that struck me:

I can tell you why your desk is piling up with flimsy bits of vampire literature, fantasy, romance, detective stories and the kind of first-draft bubble gum that used to be called chick-lit but is now shuffled in with other women’s writing in order to give it heft—although as far as you can see, neither the quality nor the subject matter has improved—which you are required to somehow turn into publishable books. It is because the vast majority of literary agents do not, in fact, have any interest in literature. They are only interested in jackpots.


In my experience, agents are people who have likes and dislikes in literature, just like writers. This writer apparently doesn't like fantasy, romance, detective stories (or the serial comma). If an agent doesn't like literary fiction, should they represent that?

Because when an agent takes on a manuscript, they become its champion. They love it. They fight for it. They show it to their friends (editors) and try to convince everyone to love it just as much. The manuscript is very likely rejected at least once or twice, sometimes more, and still the agent must have faith in the manuscript -- believe it will sell and be out there for everyone to see.

No one can love a manuscript quite like the writer can love it, but agent booklove has to come awfully close. Should an agent have to do that for a book in a genre they don't love? That's why there are lots of agents with a wide range of tastes. In fact, I think there are more agents interested in literary fiction than fantasy, so this writer actually has more agents to try than most of the people I know. And she stopped at 60 (more than, she said, but apparently fewer than 70)? A quick search on AgentQuery brings up 527 results for literary fiction, while fantasy results are a meager 139.

So, no. Agents aren't only interested in jackpots. They are interested in finding books they can champion through multiple revisions, submissions, rejections, and beyond the sale. They're interested in finding talented authors who can work with them and continue producing books.

The agent’s cut is generally 10 percent of the writer’s portion, which is in turn about 10 percent of the book’s cover price.


15%, actually.

Having set out what they do and do not want from writers, the agents then demand that we, their would-be clients, condense our novels into 300-word “pitches” that will convince them of the marketability of our books. (One might think that this would be the agent’s job—to develop pitches for the manuscripts by the writers they represent which they will then present to publishers. But no. That is not the way this system works.)


It's been my experience from working with Jenny, first as her client, then friend, now assistant, that upon offering representation and offering revision notes, that agents then set out to write a new pitch letter for editors. Agents work with editors all the time. They go out for lunches, chat on Twitter, get feedback from them on other manuscripts they've submitted. Agents should know what will make an editor sit up and slobber (while writers probably don't), so they can select the perfect editors for the manuscript and personalize each pitch by highlighting the points of the manuscript they know will catch that editor's attention.

We submit our pitches in good faith by email or snail mail (depending on the dictates of the individual agent-god. They tell us how they want us to submit right on their websites!) where they are read by interns with little experience of literature or life, and are rejected.


It's by reading slush that interns get experience in literature and life. They don't start out reading on their own, either; the agent trains them, shows them what to look for, and says things like, "Reject all the obviously bad ones, and if you have questions about any of the decent ones, bring it to me and we'll discuss it."

Some of us have had our query letters rejected more than 50 times.


That's nothin'. Remember what I mentioned about 500+ agents interested in literary fiction?

What, you may well wonder, do these agents do with all of the spare time they have carved out of their lives by creating query-letter formulae and “hiring” unpaid minions to reject the pitches that don’t meet their gutter-level standards?


They work for their clients. They call editors, submit manuscripts, work on revision letters, negotiate contracts, scrutinize every detail of contracts to make sure it's in the writer's best interest, take phone calls from clients and editors and foreign agents, and take phone calls from writers who can't follow guidelines and don't know how to send a query letter. In their real spare time, they read submissions, work with interns/assistants, and wonder how they're going to fit in another client whose book they love if they offer representation.

I've also heard they sleep, walk dogs, and have children, just like regular humans, but I think that's a myth.

(For further reading on this subject, check out this interview with “four young literary agents”, where you can learn among other things that submitting letters on pink paper is a clear indication of lack of literary talent.)


No, it's a lack of professionalism. This is a business where we behave like adults. Pink paper, however pretty, is not professional.

You, Dear Editor, are unknowingly complicit in this debacle. By refusing to accept direct submissions (just check your website! It says you will never accept a manuscript that is not submitted through an agent. It warns us that you will return our manuscripts unread if we try to foist them off on you! It even offers us helpful suggestions on how to find an agent—as though Google weren’t able to throw a hundred of them at us at a time!) you have become an unwitting accomplice to the devastation of the literary arts.


This is a filter system. It's not perfect, but it chugs along.

Writers write books. Good books, bad books, books with potential, and books that should probably never have been written. They submit to agents, who can reject most of that as bad, boring, and been done a hundred times. Making Light's "Slushkiller" actually has a really good breakdown in point three. Just replace "publish" with "represent", and "editor" with "agent."

They're not kidding here. Remember the nearly 40% of queries last week that didn't follow guidelines? (Not just our guidelines, but submitting-to-agent-in-general guidelines. I wasn't even being picky!)

So the agents pull out the books they think are great, can sell well, and will make editors sit up and slobber. They separate the manuscripts that deserve attention from the things that are truly awful. (Again, not a perfect system since tastes vary, subjectivity, all that.) Then they submit those worthy manuscripts to editors on your behalf. Because, again, they know editors' tastes.

Not having to read the large percentage of submissions that aren't good at all frees the editors to work with their authors, champion those manuscripts within the publishing house, and read more good submissions from agents.

And publishers' websites saying how to find an agent, as if Google couldn't do that for anyone? Usually notes like that are added to websites because they're tired of all the unagented manuscripts that get submitted.

For many, many reasons, writers need literary agents. If absolutely nothing else (meaning the writer can submit, negotiate, and vet contracts all on his/her own), having an agent frees the writer from the submission process so the writer can do what they do best: write more books.

Eliminating agents will not help. Eliminating agents will only take away authors' champions and deluge editors with the large percentage of submissions that are -- politely -- not very good at all.

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[info]justinluv wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 12:19 pm (UTC)
Great post, Jodi!
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 12:40 pm (UTC)
Thanks!
[info]drachin8 wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 12:34 pm (UTC)
I wonder what the subtle changes to Mary's post would be if there were no agents. Who would she blame then? The editor's assistants who dared to cull her from the herd of manuscripts directly reaching the head editor? It must be somebody's fault, of course...

*sigh*

I sincerely hope that I do not become that bitter when my own rejections begin to pile (must finish editing first! and make lists! and read guidelines! and stuff!).
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 12:48 pm (UTC)
It's easier to blame the system and other people's tastes than admit that your writing isn't perfect. (I haven't read Mary's writing, just her post, but if that's any indication of her fiction, some snipping could be useful.)

Being that bitter takes a lot of work. I don't recommend it. Write, follow the guidelines, keep improving. You'll get there.
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[info]graystonedreams wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 12:54 pm (UTC)
Great reply to that "article."
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 12:56 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I sent her a link to this post. I hope she reads, but we'll see. It's easier to blame others.
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[info]clarentine wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:19 pm (UTC)
Man, what a whiny baby that one is.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:43 pm (UTC)
She's certainly not helping writers' images here. *sigh*
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[info]ladysmith wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:25 pm (UTC)
*reads*
*sighs*
*reads again*
*sighs and shakes head. Fears for my caste*

As a writer, I know that if an agent doesn't pick up my work there must be a reason, and that reason does NOT lie with the agent! If no one picks up this piece of timeless prose that I'm trying to peddle, than perhaps its more tripe than timeless. And I know that there are going to be more passes than acceptances, because there are a LOT of us going to that particular well! And there are only so many of you guys!

You stayed remarkably level-headed throughout your post. I couldn't do it; I'm muttering a few choice words under my breath even now (very quietly, because I don't want my son to add them to his vocabulary).

[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:45 pm (UTC)
It's disappointing, isn't it? There's so much information out there, even regarding what agents *do* all day, and yet...

(And as far as agents not picking up your work, yes, sometimes it's your writing, but sometimes it's personal preference as well. I hope you're querying widely. :)
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[info]avadriel wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
That blog really grated my nerves. Let's set aside the total blindness to the role that consumers, editors and the publishing industry itself play in the business of what does and does not get published - the elitist attitude toward "commercial" writers mucking around in her beautiful literary world, the ever-present undercurrent of I'm-the-next-Atwood-damnit wangst, the very idea (posted in her responses to comments) that if we don't agree with her vitriol then we're not "getting" her... This irritation is going to last me the first two hours of my drive.

If you're frustrated, that's fine - I understand. But while your out there riding around on your high horse, blaming agents for your low self-esteem regarding your writing, maybe stop and consider the idea that it's hard to see the world from anyone else's point of view when you are so obviously cocooned in your own.

/rant
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:47 pm (UTC)
The process *is* frustrating, and I think *everyone* gets that, even agents and editors. It's even more frustrating to see someone close their eyes and refuse to believe the system isn't responsible for his/her writing success.

In spite of the very hurt-sounding post, I had sympathy for this person...until I read the comments where she disregards everyone's objections.
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[info]mrissa wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:29 pm (UTC)
I get so frustrated when people look at the ergonomics/livability for doing a task once and decide that anyone who doesn't want to do it that way for a thousand repetitions is completely unreasonable. If I read, say, purple ink on lavender paper for the span of a personal letter, my eyes don't ache. If the friend who wrote me that letter uses a cursive font that takes me a minute or two longer to decipher in spots, the whole process takes me five minutes instead of four--no big deal. But if I was reading a variety of paper and ink colors for a 40-hour week, I would have serious eyestrain--and a 50-hour week instead of a 40-hour week is a pretty big difference. Colored paper is not considered unprofessional out of spite. It's considered unprofessional because it will add up to make an agent, editor, or slush reader's job harder in the long run, and will thereby detract from the book.

Obviously this is not my most substantial disagreement with Mary's post, but it's the sort of self-centered incomprehension that sends up red flags for me.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:48 pm (UTC)
Sing it, sister! You're exactly right about the paper.

And no, not the biggest issue here, but surely one wants to make it as easy as possible for the reader to get through the query. Surely.
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[info]belletrinsic.blogspot.com wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:33 pm (UTC)
I saw her post last night as well, and it really irked me. The biggest "sins" writers can commit are vanity and pride, really. When someone thinks themselves better than the world, nothing can help them.

I posted my own little reaction to it on my blog: http://belletrinsic.blogspot.com

Great rebuttal, though. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 01:50 pm (UTC)
Very nice post. Thanks for linking it.
[info]rcloenen_ruiz wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:01 pm (UTC)
I haven't even thought of launching on the "great agent hunt", but that blogpost just blew my hair back. I mean, woah...the vitriol!

I think you've written a very clear and succinct rebuttal here. I'm taking notes on what not to do once I have something that will compel me to take out my sturdy "hunt for an agent" boots.

I happen to know a lot of literary writers who have opted for small press publication. They are mostly artists who don't really care about the moolah but are more concerned with expressing what they have to say. Usually, these are works published by university presses or small independent presses. The sales aren't big, and the royalties...well...what royalties? The point is, people who love their work know where to find them. (like me. I know where to find them.)

Mary just seemed really bitter, and I wonder whether it's from having been rejected or because she's not living like J.K. Rowling when she feels her work is of a much more superior kind.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:43 pm (UTC)
Very bitter indeed. And yeah, I'm not sure if it's about the rejections or the lack of Rowling-esque riches, but either way, people are going to remember her name now -- and not positively.
[info]green_knight wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:05 pm (UTC)
First off, she doesn't seem to realise what agents do, and that some of us appreciate having someone else negotiate a contract and deal with any number of things on our behalf. Second, I don't see why one set of gatekeepers is better than another, although I have to admit that I'm rolling my eyes at the thought of submitting to someone who will submit my book to agents (I wish I had saved that link - it seemed to be a legitimate service. I know agents are overwhelmed, but that agents should need agents? That's setting a very dangerous precedent...)

And while I would like to have Le Carre's sales figures, his style is not exactly what I would call 'literary.'

I *have* taken a look at her book. It deals with a subject that is not uncommon in women's fiction and is a book with limited appeal to a male audience. The writing is nothing to write home about - it's competent enough, but the protagonist comes across as whiny, there's too much description that doesn't seem to fulfill a function in the narrative, and I'm not certain why the protag means to pour out her life to her gynaekologist.

Then the locum (a word unfamiliar to the protagonist, which would have been the point I'd have put this down) comes in and he's so rude that he breaks my suspension of disbelief: faeries and dragons I can take, a doctor telling a patient from the stink of you I would guess you are a heavy smoker? More dragons, please.

Occam's razor still applies. Don't look for a conspiracy of agents against literary writers, when 'bad writing' is available as an explanation. I need _something_ in a book. I need characters and plot and worldbuilding, and mixed in with that, engaging writing.

Sure, tastes differ, but if fifty different agents all have the same reaction to something, I'd go and look for the common denominator.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:39 pm (UTC)
Thanks for reading the sample chapters for us. I read enough slush, I'd rather not face more. :)
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[info]lilifae wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:17 pm (UTC)
Thank you for a genuinely good informative post - I read the article this morning and had to walk away as I couldn't quite wrap my head around all the stuff she was saying...or rather, I couldn't quite believe it - not in this day and age when the amount of information and transparency in the industry is at its all time high.

[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:34 pm (UTC)
I agree. There's so much information, so many great agent blogs, it's hard to understand how people can feel this way. And most of the agents I know are downright nice people who *want* to help writers get published.
[info]kimcolley wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks, Jodi. Your response was much more polite and well thought out than mine would have been.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:33 pm (UTC)
Based on her responses to comments in her own blog, I'm afraid this will do little good.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:27 pm (UTC)
The opening sentence for this blog is very poorly written.
"Literary agents are keep literature alive"? Is that the way literary agents use the english language? That sentence seems to have been written by a real dummy. When you write for an audience as large as the internet, you do not expose yourself as being illiterate.
Doug Rosbury
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:32 pm (UTC)
Re: The opening sentence for this blog is very poorly written.
Yes, I had an editing artifact left over from changing the title. I fixed it a few minutes ago, as you'll have seen when you clicked "post comment".

Your rude response is not appreciated.
[info]lee_in_limbo wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:34 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry. I tried to read that link you gave us, but I only made it a few paragraphs in to the first break and had to stop. I can't read writer paranoia tracts. My opinion of agents is too high for that. Perhaps after my novel had been repeatedly rejected by those hundred and thirty nine agents, I might sympathize with their argument more.

However, thank you for sharing it. The failure is not yours.

Lee.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:36 pm (UTC)
I nearly didn't finish reading it, but figured I should if I was going to post a response to it. It's sad that people can feel this way even with all the information out there.
[info]barbarienne wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 02:49 pm (UTC)
It's a measure of how long I've been in the industry that I just shrug when I see posts such as the one linked. I've heard that song so many times. It's as overplayed as "Come on Eileen." Enjoyable the first fifty times, kind of interesting the next fifty, irritating the fifty after that, and now just boring.

I'm glad lots of people were suggesting that she self-publish. As much as I am philosophically against authors self-publishing, I have come to see the wisdom of directing the crazy* people into a cul-de-sac where they can't do anyone any harm.


*Where "crazy" = "utterly convinced that they Know All, and refuse to entertain the possibility that they just might not"
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:26 pm (UTC)
Old timer! ;)

I don't think she's going to go for self-publishing.
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[info]stillnotbored wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:01 pm (UTC)
Wow... Maybe just a tad bitter there. And as you said, misinformed. This is the kind of bitterness and conspiracy mindset that makes the owners of PA and AuthorHouse filthy rich.

If I'd stopped at 50 queries, I wouldn't have an agent.

But you know how it goes, those of us who write SF&F are too stubborn to give up, even if all we write is juvenile trash with no literary merit. [/sarcasm]

Which is where I start to get bitter, because this is an old and tired spiel. Because I don't care for women's fiction or books classifed as 'literary' doesn't make them trash, it just means I don't like them. Scads of people do.

And just because Mary doesn't like what you or I write, or books that actually sell, doesn't make those books trash either. Tastes vary. Variety makes the world go round. How boring would it be if ALL of us wrote the same things?

I have no interest in being touted for my literary genius, I want a career. I want to sell books so people can read the stories I have to tell. My agent is going to help me do that, not soak me for all I've got or keep 'real' writers from getting their shot.

The system is not perfect, but no system is ever perfect. You work with what you've got.

You showed more patience than I can muster. *g* But I'm old and crabby, and tired of people who blame everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:31 pm (UTC)
Yes, really. I wouldn't have had Jenny if I'd stopped at 50. Or, heck, 100.

All genres are made to feel small by other genres. It isn't fair or right, and the business as a whole is still so small we shouldn't fight each other. I'm *glad* there's something for everyone, even if it's not what I enjoy.

I'm still young and reasonably optimistic. Eventually I'll be old and crabby, too, and there will be another young and reasonably optimistic person to take my place. Like vampire slayer, but without the vampire and slaying.
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[info]tybalt_quin wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:04 pm (UTC)
Actually, the most telling comment within that blog post is right at the end:

I invite you to have a look at the first few chapters of The Whole Clove Diet which I have posted on Authonomy. This novel has been rejected, mainly sight unseen, by more than 60 agents.

In other words, the majority of agents who Mary has queried have been turned off by her query letter. If Mary worked on her query letter (including checking one of the many forums/blogs/other resources out there that can help writers to improve their query letters), then she may have got a better hit rate.

Ergo, Mary's problem is Mary. And sadly there's no one out there who can help her with that.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
Indeed, you're right. It's up to individuals to learn what needs to be learned and do what needs to be done. Others can only do so much.
[info]aerden wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:18 pm (UTC)
Just a quick note
If a writer can't pitch her own book in 300 words, how the heck should she expect an agent to be able to pitch it to an editor?

People who pitch ideas for television shows or movies have to do it in one or two sentences. Pitching loglines for screenplays is about as stringent.

This woman doesn't know what she's talking about.

Chantal
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:38 pm (UTC)
Re: Just a quick note
Agreed.

Writing short pitches is *hard*, but not impossible. It's a skill like any other. Some people are better at it than others. And if you know you're not good at it, ask someone to help. Mary may not have realized this. It's still her problem, not any one else's.

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[info]matociquala wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:34 pm (UTC)
<3
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:39 pm (UTC)
<3
[info]sartorias wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
The "Everybody else but MEEEEEE writes crap, but I'm so brilliant they don't dare publish me!" whine, new version.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
It must be difficult being so brilliant, yet no one sees.
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[info]jenwriterr wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:47 pm (UTC)
*headdesk*

I made the comment over there. Agents and editors build relationships with each other. They talk, have lunch, see each other at conferences and book fairs. Editors often tell agents what they would like to see. The idea that agents are keeping editors from seeing "beautiful literary fiction" is beyond me. And then linking to Janet Reid and Nathan Bransford as "culprits" when they both represent literary fiction!

I also read the first couple of pages of her excerpt she linked. It didn't come across as literary fiction to me...commercial women's fiction maybe.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
You're exactly right. Authors can't have that relationship with editors, otherwise editors would have 43546564542324656 BFFs and lunch dates all day long.

Janet and Nathan are some of the most helpful agents out there. They're the opposite of the problem.

Interesting about the pages. I still haven't read them, but everyone who has is saying similar things. Mary's as genre as she accuses everyone else of being. Heh.
[info]burger_eater wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 04:49 pm (UTC)
Your response is way more constructive than mine was. I think this means you're the better person.

Reading her comments (at least, the ones posted before I went to bed last night), I get the impression that she's looking from someone to read and respond to her work. Crying out for attention, in other words.

And what a perfect strategy she's chosen.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
Not better. But I linked it on Twitter (and Colleen relinked it for her MEGA HUGE GINORMOUS audience), so I had to behave. ;)

Mary's definitely attracted an audience, but not, I suspect, the unanimous support of writers everywhere. And yes, we'll all remember her name, but not, again, with a favorable thought.
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[info]raecarson wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC)
Ah, the suffering of a misunderstood genius. I weep for her.

Ok, not. I think of Stephanie Meyer, who I believe sucks monkey butt. But she's successful for a very good reason: She connects with people, especially teen girls, in ways that few can match. She tells a story which people-who-are-not-me find absolutely compelling. What is the mission of the storyteller if not to connect with an audience?

Her work, though commercial, is absolutely legitimate. It will have a legacy. I'd even say it's art.

I wonder if misunderstood genius person has ever asked herself who her audience is.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
*offers hankie*

I'm with you on all accounts.

I suspect she thinks the whole world is her audience, that she's written something so amazing we can't help but become enthralled. But judging by the comments others have left here concerning her writing...probably not. True literary fiction has a very narrow market; most people simply don't want to think that hard.
[info]shalanna wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 05:13 pm (UTC)
I actually read the first few chapters of that lady's book
. . . and her major problem selling the book seems to be the tired old subject matter. The book opens with a classic chick-lit situation (meaning something that we have seen a million times before, and are weary of seeing), an overweight whiner woman who goes to a doctor so she can complain about how awful everything is. The doctor blows her off nastily, which isn't plausible--so the suspenders of disbelief snap then, if the reader has even managed to tug them on in the first place. It's immediately obvious that we're supposed to go, "Aww, you poor little creature, we so feel for you," but instead readers go, "Oh, please! Put down the cross and put on your big girl panties!" This is the first turnoff, and no one's gonna stay on her freeway.

There's nothing particularly wrong with the prose itself or the pacing, IF the scene had been interesting. But Yawn! Yawn! Yawwwnnn!!! Visualize Uncle Buddy standing up from lookin' under the hood of ol' Nellybell and spittin' out a stream of terbacky juice along with the verdict, "Wellp, that's her major problem right there." The tone of the book is too whiny. That was really in style when chick lit was clogging the chutes, and it was kind of funny back when the first few pink-cover books came out, but now it's just tiresome. The synopsis implies that this is another "fat woman loses weight and life miraculously repairs itself" story, and we all know that life does NOT miraculously repair itself when you lose weight or get rid of gray hairs or eliminate age spots or whatever. We need a tale that promises more depth. We need a different character arc. We need something that seizes our imaginations. Please--not another "dying family member" novel, not another "my husband is mean to me and my kids don't appreciate me" novel. That can be the background of an interesting novel, but it can't be the story, as that has been worked to death. That dog won't hunt any more.

She doesn't have major problems with sentence structure, grammar, or narrative flow, though, so this writer could go on to think up something else that might sell. That's what she ought to do next.

I mean, how about this? Woman is standing in line at a bank when someone behind her barks, "Freeze or I'll blow your head off." Another voice shouts, "Everybody hit the floor!" Woman's head spins as she becomes the hostage for a group of bank robbers. There--now you're in the middle of action. Figure out what happens next and write THAT. That ought to get a few requests from queries. Maybe the woman is mistaken for a Patty Hearst, and when the criminals realize they've taken the wrong woman, they decide to use her in some other nefarious scheme. Or. . . ? You'll think of something. Yer a writer!

Or if that's not her scene, she could try something else. Just not something that we have seen so MANY times before and were tired of even before we saw it ONCE. "Diary of a Fat Housewife" is, what, ten years old? Yawn. Not again, PLEASE.

And there's my analysis. Worth about what you paid. *wink*
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 06:02 pm (UTC)
Re: I actually read the first few chapters of that lady's book
Goodness!

Yes, it does sound like she's written something overly familiar. Even something familiar dressed up in new clothes can be exciting, but it still takes a lot of work!

I wish she was going to learn something from this experience, but I suspect -- after reading comments on her blog -- she won't.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC)
I feel for her. She's getting really slammed in her comments, and while the feedback is something she NEEDS to hear, it's apparent she's refusing to take it on the chin (like all writers must do).

Every time I get a rejection or a crit, I instantly feel defensive. It takes me about 10 minutes to breathe through it and start looking for things that can help me. To allow myself to see where they have a point.

It's hard! It's just too bad that she's going through this process so publicly.

Personally, I like to be a neurotic writer behind closed doors, where I can hid under my comforter and declare the world "too stupid to get it".
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Apr. 17th, 2009 05:59 pm (UTC)
She's getting slammed, but it doesn't appear that she realizes it. She has a few supporters, too. At this point, I only feel mildly bad for her. She isn't really pushing to succeed; she's waiting for success to find her, and it almost never works like that.

I know what you mean about the instant defensiveness. I get that, too. But it's overcomable! (New word I just made up. Tell everyone.) We must put our egos aside and realize there is still more to learn if we want to succeed. And that's *hard*, but but not impossible.

Quiet neurosis is also a valid lifestyle choice. ;)
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