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  • Mar. 14th, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Kippy Facepalm
Queries: 123
Requests: 3 partials
In my inbox: 10 partials* and a reply from someone asking a question I need to think about

*Weeping here. But today is the Day Of Partials. Jeff is going out with some friends for '80s day at a place in town and, not being smitten with the decade of my birth, I'm staying here. My lack of Fun is your gain!

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1. This one says "Dear Sirs" and explains the structure of the book, not quite what the book is about.

It also spells "agent" incorrectly, doesn't sign a name, and includes the first three chapters as an attachment.

"Dear Nameless Author" returns!

2. What's the deal with these epically bad queries? There's pictures with them, lots of presuming where they'll end up (TV or the theaters), and they're all graciously going to let Jenny hang around for the ride.

And they can't spellcheck.

3. KILLCRUSHDESTROY!!!!!

How to enrage a Jodi:

a. Send the same (unrevised) query letter four times, BCCed to many agents.
b. Receive a "please stop sending this" email.
c. Send the same (unrevised) query again, BCCed to many agents.
d. Receive a final warning email.
e. Write back "Until [title] is published, you will be queried."
f. Send the same (unrevised) query yet again, BCCed to many agents.

KILLCRUSHDESTROYCAPSLOCKEXCLAMATIONPOINTS!!!!

I think I'm pretty calm about things (heh) like people who write back stupid emails and use capslock to communicate. These slush stats are good for venting and sharing the crayzee.

But this.

*growl*

(Since that incident, I have gotten 3 more queries from him. Yes, they're blocked, but in the same way CAPSLOCK GUY's emails come through as spam, so does this guy's. Jenny is looking into auto-delete. Yes, this is a sign of my utter loathing. Not even CAPSLOCK GUY gets auto-delete.)

4. Even if you have some really kind rejection letters on your full manuscript, please consider not sending them along with your query letters. It's tacky.

5. Query blurb in...second person? I feel so used.

The pages are in third person.

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So recently someone asked what makes me turn down an otherwise nice query letter.

Usually the book just isn't right for the agency. Could be the subject, or a genre Jenny doesn't represent, or we already have an author with a book like that -- and really we don't need two.

But sometimes I run across a query for a book that would be perfect for the agency. Except I turn it down. Why?

Usually it's the writing in the sample pages.

I suspect asking Jenny to change the guidelines to ask for pages was one of the smartest moves I've made as an assistant. Before, I'd sometimes request a partial, get through the first few pages, and realize that the writer had a good idea, but needed work on prose or hooks or whatever. I'd have to write back and break the bad news to them, and seriously, writing rejection letters for partials and fulls sucks. Not because I have to figure out what didn't work, but because I know there's a person on the other side of the email and they've got their fingers crossed.

Partial requests...they don't seem like very much to me. I have more commitment than with a query letter, but it's still minimal. (Even as a writer, partials aren't a big deal to me. They did, once, so I do remember.) But I know to a lot of people, getting a partial request is a Big Thing, and it's got to hurt getting a note back saying "prose needs work".

I like this new way with pages in the query letter. It does mean the first five pages have to be good enough to make me want more, but they do in partials, too. And I think it ends up saving everyone a lot of time if I can diagnose the problem just from the sample pages. Furthermore, I can say things like, "Tighten up the writing and query again," without getting either of us into the emotional roller coaster of a Request.

So that's it. At some point, it stops being about the query letter. Really, query blurbs are only ~200 words long. You can make them thrilling and wonderful, but it is hard. Lots of us have to settle for "decent." I think lots of agents are able to see the potential even in a decent query letter and give the writing a chance. Once that's happened, it's about the sample pages and whether they make the agent/assistant want to read more.

I don't always tell people where they lost me. I don't have that kind of time, and real agents have even less, but occasionally I get the chance, or the query letter really strikes me as oozing potential and I make time.

All that to say, if your query letter works (you've had smart crit partners approve, or you're getting requests off it when no sample pages are asked for), and you're not getting what you want still, the next place to look is the manuscript itself.

Comments

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(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 03:08 pm (UTC)
Would love the url to your agency. Is it in the Valley as well? (This is Carmen, the Valley-girl from Twitter, ha!) Maybe you guys represent the kind of book I wrote. :)

I always appreciate query tips! Nice post. Though, I would've gone to '80s day. Just to see the bad clothes :)
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 03:11 pm (UTC)
Oh, sure! The address is www.rappaportagency.com

I work for Jenny Rappaport; she's in NJ, closer to the city. :)
[info]dragonmyst wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 03:37 pm (UTC)
{{hugs}} Jodi.

You do a great job.

**madly takes notes on what not to do**
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
*hugs* I don't think it's so much what *not* to do as what *to* do, and that's follow the guidelines and be polite. Much shorter list! ;)
[info]dragonmyst wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
Hehe.
I can not comprehend how people can be rude to those they are asking to consider their writing. Ok, so it smarts getting told no but being rude, obnoxious, harrassing... it doesn't make sense.

[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
Yes. But you're being all logical. I suspect the people who behave this way *aren't* logical. Maybe ever.

Fortunately, they are not the majority.
[info]green_knight wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 08:25 pm (UTC)
I've just had glimses of that at work, and it is truly mindboggling that educated professionals (with PhD) feel justified to write the most rude, swearword-peppered e-mail (threat of litigation included) in official communication.

So agents aren't the only people subjected to that, computer helpdesks at least suffer from the same problem.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:08 pm (UTC)
2nd time I've seen this!
One of the other agents I follow complained about that same guy! The whole, "Unfortunately, until I get published, you will continue to receive query letters" thing. I wonder how he thinks that'll really work!

(Side note... you might want to fix your spelling of especially. I'm 100% confident that you know how to spell it...looks like one of those things where fingers insisted on typing backward. At least, that's what mine do.)
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
Re: 2nd time I've seen this!
Hah! Who's the other agent?

Yipes, yes, typo gremlins get me with especially a lot. Erm, looking for the typo... Unfortunately, since it isn't spelled right, I can't find it with the find feature! ;)
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:31 pm (UTC)
Re: 2nd time I've seen this!
I can't find it! Or do you mean epically? That's a real word. An adverb of epic. :)
[info]julie-weathers.blogspot.com wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:33 pm (UTC)
Re: 2nd time I've seen this!
want to fix your spelling of especially--Not if the word refers to "epic" as in "epically."
[info]ozarque wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC)
That is truly an interesting read; thank you for posting it.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:26 pm (UTC)
My pleasure. :)
[info]lotusloquax wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
The epically bad queries are running rampant everywhere. Could it be the economy? How can someone be so clueless as to continue sending queries when he's been warned off? It's someone like that who will then rabidly complain about the unfairness of agents and the query system. Good luck with the auto-delete. Just because you read slush doesn't mean you have to be subjected to that continually (only periodically). ;-)

This kind of report gives me hope that my query will at least appeal on certain levels. I'm not too terribly insane, and I rarely use the capslock key.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 04:55 pm (UTC)
It's perfectly acceptable to use the capslock when typing your title! ;)

And yeah, pretty much anyone who can follow guidelines and behave in a professional manner is good in my book.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 05:05 pm (UTC)
e. Write back "Until [title] is published, you will be queried."

"The floggings will continue until morale improves?" Hee. (Sorry you're the one getting flogged, though.)

As for the influx of bad queries, I wonder if it is connected to Nanowrimo. People who wrote entire novels in a month might be finding themselves ready to query right about now. Hmm.

Lisa Iriarte
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 05:54 pm (UTC)
"The floggings will continue until morale improves?"

Yes, I'm beginning to think so! *weeps*

(As long as I can rant about said floggings, Saturday makes everything better. :)

I don't think it's Nano. Not *just* Nano, anyway. I think it's the two Friday 13ths in a row. ;)
[info]jryson wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC)
May be partly the economy. People getting laid off from their day jobs, so work on books and garage bands. Also desperate people doing desperate things in hope of getting life-changing amounts of money. More lottery tickets and more queries.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 10:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Looks like they didn't get the memo that there's actually little money to be made in publishing. King, Rowling, Grisham, Meyer, and all the rest are the minority. Most writers I know are broke. I suspect there's a better chance of winning the lottery.

:)
[info]jryson wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC)
I just got a reject that sounds a bit scary. She didn't like my premise.In fact, the premise is unusual. Good guys want to delay Earth contact by space people vs. the bad guys want do do it now. (You've seen it already; Princess of Bible Grove,) That makes me wonder if I should keep querying this puppy or just shoot it.

On the good side, she did think it worth a specific remark, so...
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 10:26 pm (UTC)
Not everyone is going to like a premise. I don't know how many queries you've sent out, but if you haven't sent at least 60-80, keep trying. Don't give up on your book just because one or two or however many agents didn't like the premise. I can't promise there's someone out there going to love it, but don't reject yourself. Keep trying.

And if it doesn't take, send out the next manuscript. You *are* writing another book, aren't you? :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 15th, 2009 03:13 am (UTC)
yeah, but it's the same universe: space-faring descendants of human abductees. With Amaranth the galactic princess. Adding Holds-Two-Moons, an Indian galactic princess.

Also dusting off the Nano project. But it has to go somewhere else. It's a nookie monster. No magic, no FTL. But big space habitats out as far as the Kuiper Belt.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 15th, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
Sounds like you've got a lot of things going for you, then.

Keep writing! If the first one doesn't stick, revise the Nano project and send that one out. :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 15th, 2009 03:01 pm (UTC)
FWIW, I like the sound of that premise. (Sadly, I'm not an agent.) Also "Holds-Two-Moons" is a cool name. Just 'sayin.

[info]hollailama wrote:
Mar. 17th, 2009 04:16 am (UTC)
You might want to correct your spelling of KILLCRUSHDESTROY!!!!! as it should have spaces between the words and only one exclamation point. Also, my name is spelled "H-O-L-L-Y" and I don't see it in this post. You will want to correct that.
[info]jmeadows wrote:
Mar. 17th, 2009 06:48 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes, you're absolutely right. I will correct that immediately.
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